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wireb · 01-14-2010, 08:01 PM

BTW is the acsii text just normal hex (ie 0x41 for a "A") or some sort of packed format? (have not dug around enough to figure it out for myself :)

Darkside · 01-15-2010, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wireb

BTW is the acsii text just normal hex (ie 0x41 for a "A") or some sort of packed format? (have not dug around enough to figure it out for myself :)

http://martinsuniverse.de/projekte/a...iszeichen.html

normal hex.

SAbroSO · 01-15-2010, 04:02 AM

Why didn't i see this thread sooner?

wireb · 01-15-2010, 11:41 AM

it's only 7 pages now small fry in the fray

wireb · 01-15-2010, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkside

http://martinsuniverse.de/projekte/a...iszeichen.html

normal hex.

Actually it's not. If you look at that chart 0x61 is not "a" its 0x01 is. The capital letters, numbers, and a few symbols line up with the standard ASCII codes.

But that is exactly what I wanted to know :) I can now code up a translator and start snooping on random packets and see if I can sort out what some of the other messages may mean. (looking for the messages between the sat tuner and radio with the song information in it. Hoping to build a Ipod adapter that plugs in where the sat tuner goes and has full song display on the MFD)

GTI_Fahrenheit_859 · 01-15-2010, 08:12 PM

Darkside: What do you mean by "OPS/PDC data"?

Wireb: For an example, with the live ascii translation, I can see that can ID: 65F is scrolling through my VIN.

Darkside · 01-16-2010, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTI_Fahrenheit_859

Darkside: What do you mean by "OPS/PDC data"?

OPS/PDC is the park distance sensor stuff. If you don't have a RNS510, you just have the beeper for when you get close to an obstacle. Since the OPS/PDC is connected to CAN, however, you can install an RNS510 for this:

And I want the same displayed on my car computer. The PDC is connected to the motor CAN, but the data has to be sent to the multimedia CAN as well, so the RNS510 can display it.

wireb · 01-16-2010, 05:30 PM

which cars came with the backup sensors? I don't think my 2008 has it.

Darkside · 01-16-2010, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wireb

which cars came with the backup sensors? I don't think my 2008 has it.

No idea. Seen it on a few European GTIs. I got the parts from the scrap yard. Ripped it out of a '07 GTI.

Golfdubcrazy · 01-18-2010, 01:56 PM

Hi this looks like a great project been Reading it up what whas the last can Reading hardware did you use ie. Best results and what software do you use to get the best Reading I have a fully strip wiring loom where I have connected a can gateway radio and steering control so I don't get any distracting msgs. I use to use elm327 but it has a few bugs

Golfdubcrazy · 01-18-2010, 01:57 PM

O and my mk5 r32 had reverse sensors

GTI_Fahrenheit_859 · 01-18-2010, 03:36 PM

Good reading:

http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=de&tl=en

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...QQtzz7wec8b9Mw

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...IPeOqTKjrl6-Pg

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...HYWjE0J8SQ67_w

wireb · 01-18-2010, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfdubcrazy

Hi this looks like a great project been Reading it up what whas the last can Reading hardware did you use ie. Best results and what software do you use to get the best Reading I have a fully strip wiring loom where I have connected a can gateway radio and steering control so I don't get any distracting msgs. I use to use elm327 but it has a few bugs

Some are using a canusb device (scroll back they posted a link to it). I am using my own hardware. Hope to have the board files done this weekend so I can get duplicates made.

Right now I have my prototype running under perl. But it just sends strings out a serial port so just about any programing language will work as long as it can connect to and read from a serial port.

wireb · 01-18-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTI_Fahrenheit_859

Good reading:

http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=de&tl=en

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...QQtzz7wec8b9Mw

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...IPeOqTKjrl6-Pg

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...HYWjE0J8SQ67_w

Link 2 looks like exactly what I was looking for. I think with that I can make a extra page for my stuff. Somewhere in there is the responce on which page is active but some of the info was lost / scrambled in translation.

Darkside · 01-18-2010, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfdubcrazy

I use to use elm327 but it has a few bugs

The ELM is a obd2 chip. I.e. it can only connect to the obd2 diagnostic port. Yes, on VW cars, CAN gets translated over OBD2 but this is NOT the same CAN bus we're talking about. Diagnostic can requires a wakeup sequence and your car is put into a diagnostic mode. No idea what this might do to your ECU in the long run (i.e. leaving it connected the entire time).

Besides, all addresses will be different since the diagnostic CAN messages all get translated b the CAN gateway.

Golfdubcrazy · 01-19-2010, 01:06 PM

Hi I connected to the information CAN and type in AT MA (mointer all) but it give to many 0000000 lol :(

Golfdubcrazy · 01-19-2010, 01:09 PM

Thus the reason I need a better scanner and want some recomendation so far sounds like usbcan

And also has anyone tryed sending information to the instrument cluser display I got the FIS and it's would be nice

GTI_Fahrenheit_859 · 01-22-2010, 01:22 AM

I tried cleaning up the translation from german. It is now a little better.

Golfdubcrazy · 01-22-2010, 03:45 PM

Another thing I got a vag-com hex-can-USB cable and I know this is a good cable. Does anyone know how to access this cable to send cammands through it iv been trying and have even found a few programs that use it but iv have had no luck. I and talking about the new intelegent interface

I also have a crap vagk-can commander and been trying to use the can off that still no luck with that either

If anyone has anyideas on making these work it would be help full thanks

wireb · 01-24-2010, 08:01 PM

Well had some free time this afternoon and finished up the raw card design for the can sniffer.

Later this week I will try and finish up the bill of material with Digikey part numbers.

Supported firmware (so far):
general snoop (Dumps what ever is on the bus out the serial port in raw hex)
button decode (watches for just button presses and sends out "Bx" where x = the button number when a button is pressed)

Other stuff:
Example perl code and a firmware update utility (yes you can swap firmware on the fly.)

If anyone is interested I am willing to order some. Minimum order is 6 sniffers for $15 plus shipping each (just the raw card no parts installed.) I am willing to buy one of the 6 (want to verify the raw card + the prototype is already looking a little ratty from pulling it in and out of the car).

Here are the logic and board files. (click on the thumbnail to get the bigger image. If still too small right click and go view image to zoom in even more)

wireb · 01-26-2010, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matom

http://www.carnavigationdvd.com/products/27/

Every one,plz check it..

There looks good.

Nice spam I guess

wireb · 01-27-2010, 08:19 PM

Finished the BOM (bill of material) and it came out slightly over $35.

Format was lost when I tried to post it so converted to .csv
Just paste in a text file, rename to .csv, and then open with your favorite spreadsheet program.

Q,value,Digikey PN,ref deg,$ each,$ sub total,,notes
5,.1uF,BC1148CT-ND,"C1,3,4,5,14",,$0.66,,.066 min order 10
7,1uF,BC1151CT-ND,"C6,7,9,10,11,12,13",,$1.78,,.178 min order 10
2,10uF,478-5813-ND,"c8,15",$0.70,$1.40,,
3,,160-1705-ND,"D1,2,3",$0.09,$0.27,,
1,female,A35107-ND,J1,$2.04,$2.04,,
1,49k,49.9KXBK-ND,R1,$0.53,$0.53,,.106 min order 5
3,120,120QBK-ND,"R2,3,4",,$0.32,,.064 min order 5
2,100k,100KQBK-ND,"R6,7",,$0.32,,.064 min order 5
1,PIC16F876,PIC16F876A-I/SP-ND,U1,$6.16,$6.16,,
1,MCP2515,MCP2515-I/P-ND,U2,$1.98,$1.98,,
1,MCP2551,MCP2551-I/P-ND,U3,$1.12,$1.12,,
1,MAX232,296-1402-5-ND,U4,$1.16,$1.16,,
1,LM7805,LM7805CT-ND,U5,$0.43,$0.43,,
1,20MHz 5V,X220-ND,X1,$2.13,$2.13,,
1,,raw card,,$15.00,$15.00,,
,,,,,,
,,,,,,
,,,,,$35.30,Total

I am leaving town next week for work so not much will happen that week. Once I get back I will clean up the firmware and get the "bus snoop" and "button decode" posted.

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01-14-2010, 08:01 PM	#133
wireb Just a noob with a welder Drives: 2008 GTI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 382 View wireb's Garage	BTW is the acsii text just normal hex (ie 0x41 for a "A") or some sort of packed format? (have not dug around enough to figure it out for myself :)

01-15-2010, 11:41 AM	#136
wireb Just a noob with a welder Drives: 2008 GTI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 382 View wireb's Garage	it's only 7 pages now small fry in the fray

01-15-2010, 08:12 PM	#138
GTI_Fahrenheit_859 Go Kart Newbie Drives: '07 GTI Fahrenheit Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arizona -> NY Posts: 30	Darkside: What do you mean by "OPS/PDC data"? Wireb: For an example, with the live ascii translation, I can see that can ID: 65F is scrolling through my VIN.

01-16-2010, 05:30 PM	#140
wireb Just a noob with a welder Drives: 2008 GTI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 382 View wireb's Garage	which cars came with the backup sensors? I don't think my 2008 has it.

01-18-2010, 01:56 PM	#142
Golfdubcrazy Go Kart Newbie Drives: Golf mk1 cabrio r32(soon) mk3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 28	Hi this looks like a great project been Reading it up what whas the last can Reading hardware did you use ie. Best results and what software do you use to get the best Reading I have a fully strip wiring loom where I have connected a can gateway radio and steering control so I don't get any distracting msgs. I use to use elm327 but it has a few bugs

01-18-2010, 01:57 PM	#143
Golfdubcrazy Go Kart Newbie Drives: Golf mk1 cabrio r32(soon) mk3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 28	O and my mk5 r32 had reverse sensors

01-18-2010, 03:36 PM	#144
GTI_Fahrenheit_859 Go Kart Newbie Drives: '07 GTI Fahrenheit Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arizona -> NY Posts: 30	Good reading: http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=de&tl=en http://translate.googleusercontent.c...QQtzz7wec8b9Mw http://translate.googleusercontent.c...IPeOqTKjrl6-Pg http://translate.googleusercontent.c...HYWjE0J8SQ67_w

01-19-2010, 01:06 PM	#148
Golfdubcrazy Go Kart Newbie Drives: Golf mk1 cabrio r32(soon) mk3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 28	Hi I connected to the information CAN and type in AT MA (mointer all) but it give to many 0000000 lol :(

01-19-2010, 01:09 PM	#149
Golfdubcrazy Go Kart Newbie Drives: Golf mk1 cabrio r32(soon) mk3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 28	Thus the reason I need a better scanner and want some recomendation so far sounds like usbcan And also has anyone tryed sending information to the instrument cluser display I got the FIS and it's would be nice

01-22-2010, 03:45 PM	#151
Golfdubcrazy Go Kart Newbie Drives: Golf mk1 cabrio r32(soon) mk3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 28	Another thing I got a vag-com hex-can-USB cable and I know this is a good cable. Does anyone know how to access this cable to send cammands through it iv been trying and have even found a few programs that use it but iv have had no luck. I and talking about the new intelegent interface I also have a crap vagk-can commander and been trying to use the can off that still no luck with that either If anyone has anyideas on making these work it would be help full thanks

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01-24-2010, 08:01 PM	#152
wireb Just a noob with a welder Drives: 2008 GTI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 382 View wireb's Garage	Well had some free time this afternoon and finished up the raw card design for the can sniffer. Later this week I will try and finish up the bill of material with Digikey part numbers. Supported firmware (so far): general snoop (Dumps what ever is on the bus out the serial port in raw hex) button decode (watches for just button presses and sends out "Bx" where x = the button number when a button is pressed) Other stuff: Example perl code and a firmware update utility (yes you can swap firmware on the fly.) If anyone is interested I am willing to order some. Minimum order is 6 sniffers for $15 plus shipping each (just the raw card no parts installed.) I am willing to buy one of the 6 (want to verify the raw card + the prototype is already looking a little ratty from pulling it in and out of the car). Here are the logic and board files. (click on the thumbnail to get the bigger image. If still too small right click and go view image to zoom in even more)

01-27-2010, 08:19 PM	#154
wireb Just a noob with a welder Drives: 2008 GTI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 382 View wireb's Garage	Finished the BOM (bill of material) and it came out slightly over $35. Format was lost when I tried to post it so converted to .csv Just paste in a text file, rename to .csv, and then open with your favorite spreadsheet program. Q,value,Digikey PN,ref deg,$ each,$ sub total,,notes 5,.1uF,BC1148CT-ND,"C1,3,4,5,14",,$0.66,,.066 min order 10 7,1uF,BC1151CT-ND,"C6,7,9,10,11,12,13",,$1.78,,.178 min order 10 2,10uF,478-5813-ND,"c8,15",$0.70,$1.40,, 3,,160-1705-ND,"D1,2,3",$0.09,$0.27,, 1,female,A35107-ND,J1,$2.04,$2.04,, 1,49k,49.9KXBK-ND,R1,$0.53,$0.53,,.106 min order 5 3,120,120QBK-ND,"R2,3,4",,$0.32,,.064 min order 5 2,100k,100KQBK-ND,"R6,7",,$0.32,,.064 min order 5 1,PIC16F876,PIC16F876A-I/SP-ND,U1,$6.16,$6.16,, 1,MCP2515,MCP2515-I/P-ND,U2,$1.98,$1.98,, 1,MCP2551,MCP2551-I/P-ND,U3,$1.12,$1.12,, 1,MAX232,296-1402-5-ND,U4,$1.16,$1.16,, 1,LM7805,LM7805CT-ND,U5,$0.43,$0.43,, 1,20MHz 5V,X220-ND,X1,$2.13,$2.13,, 1,,raw card,,$15.00,$15.00,, ,,,,,, ,,,,,, ,,,,,$35.30,Total I am leaving town next week for work so not much will happen that week. Once I get back I will clean up the firmware and get the "bus snoop" and "button decode" posted.