60 000km service

[johno]

Originally Posted by Maverick

Generation Y are well versed, whip out the mobile phone and upload video of the victims final moments to youtube. (apologies to the ones who are not like the braindead cretins who seem to appear at every major crash).

Most of Europe have mandatory first aid training as part of getting your license, plus mandatory first aid kits, mandatory vests, fire extinguishers, rescue hammers and warning triangles.... Australia has.... well none of that which is pretty lame.

You can buy consumer defibrillator's in the USA and Europe for as low as AUD$700 as well, cheapest I've seen in Australia is around $2500. Australia should make defibrillator's mandatory in all taxi's, police cars, trains and buses along with all government departments and gyms (maybe ambulances as well after the problems here in Queensland with their units failing or not being fitted).

keep in mind Mav that defibrillators are not innocuous. unless the person using it is trained properly they could end up killing the patient, themselves and others. i agree we need better driver training and equipment in all aspects in Australia before people are given the privilege to drive a motor vehicle.

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by johno

keep in mind Mav that defibrillators are not innocuous. unless the person using it is trained properly they could end up killing the patient, themselves and others.

Your're talking about the manual and semi auto defibrillators as used in hospitals I assume?

The ones I'm talking about are the ones that a 4 year old could use. Referred to as an AED.

[johno]

hmmmn generation Youtube with an AED...hmmmn

[webmonkey128]

Hey Folks,

Just a word of warning about taking your car to Chatswood Classic for a service. Stay the fuck away from these people.

I was in there last week for the 60K service on my GTI (DSG) and was quoted around $1100, it was along the way to work and about the same as other VW dealerships near my area.. so drop it in and pick it up afterwards.. perfect right?

Turns out they didn't service the DSG at all and to do so would mean another $550. They gave me some BS about some dealers do not include DSG oil changes in the quotes.. Aren't these people required to perform services as VW has specified?

I checked with Liverpool and Para dealerships and they include DSG oil change in their quotes. So basically what we have here is a nice little swindle happening over at CCC.

Not sure what to do now... any suggestions?

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by webmonkey128

Hey Folks,

Just a word of warning about taking your car to Chatswood Classic for a service. Stay the fuck away from these people.

I was in there last week for the 60K service on my GTI (DSG) and was quoted around $1100, it was along the way to work and about the same as other VW dealerships near my area.. so drop it in and pick it up afterwards.. perfect right?

Turns out they didn't service the DSG at all and to do so would mean another $550. They gave me some BS about some dealers do not include DSG oil changes in the quotes.. Aren't these people required to perform services as VW has specified?

I checked with Liverpool and Para dealerships and they include DSG oil change in their quotes. So basically what we have here is a nice little swindle happening over at CCC.

Not sure what to do now... any suggestions?

Pick up the phone and speak to the service manager and explain the issue in a calm manner and point out that you choose them over two other dealerships offering the same service but with the DSG for the same dollars and you're unhappy that the DSG wasn't serviced as per your expectations/discussions.

If no luck with him go to the dealer principle.

[webmonkey128]

Originally Posted by Maverick

Pick up the phone and speak to the service manager and explain the issue in a calm manner and point out that you choose them over two other dealerships offering the same service but with the DSG for the same dollars and you're unhappy that the DSG wasn't serviced as per your expectations/discussions.

If no luck with him go to the dealer principle.

I tried speaking with the same person who served me.. he couldn't give me any real answers as to why the DSG oil change was not included, he blamed the price difference on cheaper parts/labour. I will try and get a hold of his manager tomorrow.

[saad]

So to clarify, only perform compressions, dont bother with mouth to mouth, as oxgen does not help if there is blood flow?

Johno what sort of Dr are you? some sort of surgeon? I start uni again soon, with the hopes of geting into med school eventually...And you and YouSnooze hate each other in real life i presume ;)

[Capercat]

Originally Posted by webmonkey128

I tried speaking with the same person who served me.. he couldn't give me any real answers as to why the DSG oil change was not included, he blamed the price difference on cheaper parts/labour. I will try and get a hold of his manager tomorrow.

When I bought my MK4 GTI when they were at Dickson ave service was brilliant! When they moved to Hotham Pde and the MK5 became popular service went to shit. In fact after Rodney left it went down hill IMO, it's just a number game now.

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by saad

So to clarify, only perform compressions, dont bother with mouth to mouth, as oxgen does not help if there is blood flow?

There's no point in performing compressions to get the blood moving if there is no oxygen in it

If you really want to be in a position to do something go and do a senior first aid course at St Johns, it's well worth the small cost and it may save a life one day. And get yourself a decent first aid kit for the car.

[YouSnooze]

Originally Posted by Maverick

There's no point in performing compressions to get the blood moving if there is no oxygen in it

Ever wondered how much oxygen there is in blood even after a period of apnoea? I know; but I bet you don't Mav. Hint - it's not zero [or even close for that matter]. Uninterrupted compressions save lives - time wasted on anything other than compressions is just that - wasted. In the community the 2 most important things you can do to help someone else & not your own ego/ peace of mind are:
1) Call for experienced help (i.e 000)
2) Uninterrupted compressions

That's all I'm saying on the matter. Wikipedia all you like as a riposte Mav.

[saad]

Yeah i did a first aid course when i was in year 12 need to touch up. I may go and do another one and get up to date. And the cavity in my boot under the amplifiers is a good place to store it :)

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by YouSnooze

Ever wondered how much oxygen there is in blood even after a period of apnoea? I know; but I bet you don't Mav. Hint - it's not zero [or even close for that matter].

I posted about this above in case you missed the post.

Originally Posted by Maverick

The above link is what you and Johno were talking about but my understanding is that oxygen is still required but if you're there when they collapse you could just do compressions for around 4-6 minutes until oxygen levels are too low

Uninterrupted compressions save lives - time wasted on anything other than compressions is just that - wasted. In the community the 2 most important things you can do to help someone else & not your own ego/ peace of mind are:
1) Call for experienced help (i.e 000)
2) Uninterrupted compressions

That's all I'm saying on the matter. Wikipedia all you like as a riposte Mav.

The Australian Resuscitation Council disagrees with you as does the International Liaison Committee on Resuscitation. So do the Red Cross and St Johns. I'm not disputing that there may be merit in uninterrupted compressions for a period or even in lengthening the time between rescue breaths but the current guidelines are clear and IIRC anyone who has been trained in first aid recently should be following those guidelines to protect themself.

[johno]

Originally Posted by YouSnooze

Ever wondered how much oxygen there is in blood even after a period of apnoea? I know; but I bet you don't Mav. Hint - it's not zero [or even close for that matter]. Uninterrupted compressions save lives - time wasted on anything other than compressions is just that - wasted. In the community the 2 most important things you can do to help someone else & not your own ego/ peace of mind are:
1) Call for experienced help (i.e 000)
2) Uninterrupted compressions

That's all I'm saying on the matter. Wikipedia all you like as a riposte Mav.

i got your back bro!

[GTom]

Originally Posted by Maverick

...who has been trained in first aid recently should be following those guidelines to protect themself.

You're already protected under the "Good Samaritan" law.....

[DRMAT]

I'm with the two medics on this one as well.... still plenty of oxygen in the blood for some time to sustain life and most importantly electrical activity in the brain and thus heart. The other thing the compressions avoid happening is systemic acidosis which is where you start getting permanent damage.

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by GTom

You're already protected under the "Good Samaritan" law.....

No such law in Queensland. There was a bill in 2007 where they were going to offer protection to passers-by or those that witness an accident and offer well intended assistance without actual or contemplated financial reward but the changes haven't gone through yet.

States like Victoria and Western Australia have laws to protect but they are limited like the Queensland one will be with a clause like this

"the act is done or omitted in good faith and without reckless disregard for the safety of the person in distress or someone else."

"Even with the best intent, sometimes things could go wrong. The common law's position on this is it depends on all the circumstances of the case. Under current law, the fact that a person was acting in an emergency situation is relevant to deciding whether the person has been negligent. The emergency nature of the circumstances and the skills of the good Samaritan are taken into account in determining whether the good Samaritan has acted reasonably.

Most jurisdictions (apart from Queensland and Tasmania) have introduced laws to clarify the position of good Samaritans and to provide them with protection from liability for acts or omissions done or made in good faith. While Queensland does not yet have good Samaritan law to shield good Samaritans from civil liability like most other states, it is worth examining other states’ provisions to understand the key elements that form the protection. Although different from state to state, the essential elements for good Samaritans to be protected from civil liability include:

The assistance must be given in circumstances of emergency;
The acts or omissions are done or made in good faith and without reckless disregard for the safety of the person in distress or someone else; and
The assistance is provided without expectation of payment or other consideration.
However, such protection from liability does not apply if the good Samaritan was significantly impaired by alcohol or other recreational drug."

I don't think it's appropriate for Doctors to recommend that people deviate away from the procedure that is recommended and taught in Australia and the rest of the world.

[GTom]

Originally Posted by Maverick

I don't think it's appropriate for Doctors to recommend that people deviate away from the procedure that is recommended and taught in Australia and the rest of the world.

hmmm. that's like trying to tell an apple it's an orange, in some respects.

I wouldn't necessarily dismiss what doctors have to say.......

[mljchan]

have just seen this thread. with all due respect to all the comments on this thread, i think i would put my life in the hands of yousnooze who is a qualified anaesthetist with extensive experience in trauma and retrievals by helicopter, and johno - a trauma surgeon.
so whatever yousnooze and johno have said - i'm with them.

[Big Yellow]

didnt know Maverick was a doctor as well.

I am the trained first aid officer at work too, and if i ever need to, do as i was trained. however, i dont think i could dispute 2 qualified surgeons on this one.

first aid officers/trainers arent doctors anyway.

[Maverick]

Originally Posted by Big Yellow

didnt know Maverick was a doctor as well.

I am the trained first aid officer at work too, and if i ever need to, do as i was trained. however, i dont think i could dispute 2 qualified surgeons on this one.

There is no dispute, read what I wrote about people who are trained in first aid following their training.

first aid officers/trainers arent doctors anyway.

[saad]

Oh Mavs a dr, didnt know that either!

Mav what sort of Dr are you? And Johno what kind of surgeon?

[manol]

Originally Posted by saad

Oh Mavs a dr, didnt know that either!

Mav what sort of Dr are you? And Johno what kind of surgeon?

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.