Post your most recent event footage.

[762]

Originally Posted by PRND[S]

If you carry too much speed in turn nine, you'll never make it to the run-off area. I have seen one car roll and get totalled there, I have gone two tires off there myself, and last year a NASA racer rolled there and died despite getting airlifted out. I know I can go faster there but I don't think taking a tighter line is the answer.

If you are really worried about being able to keep the car at 10/10ths, and want to practice in a safer environment then a road course I would recommend hitting up some autocross events.

The primary difference of autocross vs. HPDE is that you must drive at 100% all the time, making it a very valuable learning environment. (not to say that HPDE is not as well)

[PRND[S]]

I usually do half a dozen AutoX events per year, the season starts in March.

[fastgti69]

We both gotta get soem dedicated track set up. I'm looking at some nt05's for all around daily and track days. PRNDS is a really good driver, I went off the track trying to stick to his ass. I do have some reallly crappy tires though, really crappy.

[miamirice]

I don't know your level of experience, but R compounds will only make your concerns worse. My toyo r888 and the nt-01 have NO audible feedback. Your corner speeds with increase. The break away is less predictable and more dramatic.

When you go back to direzza's you will find them easy to manage and predict the handling. Easy to drift the car and then gather it up.

Yes R compounds will be faster, but you will have to push the car harder to have it loose and handling. Also if you are thinking to drive to the track with them they will heat cycle out long before they wear out.

[bostonaudi]

Originally Posted by miamirice

I don't know your level of experience, but R compounds will only make your concerns worse. My toyo r888 and the nt-01 have NO audible feedback. Your corner speeds with increase. The break away is less predictable and more dramatic.

When you go back to direzza's you will find them easy to manage and predict the handling. Easy to drift the car and then gather it up.

Yes R compounds will be faster, but you will have to push the car harder to have it loose and handling. Also if you are thinking to drive to the track with them they will heat cycle out long before they wear out.

x2 Direzza's are hard to beat.

I thought the line prnds took heading into the straight was good, that corner looks like it isn't somewhere you want to eff up.

I've run my tank down on the track. On a full tank you can generally get 4x20 min sessions at a DE. I tried a 5th once and learned hard way. Below a 1/4 tank running fast the gauge gives up and just displays empty.

[PRND[S]]

I averaged about 7 1/4 miles per gallon on the track. I guess I have a bit of a lead foot...

[telaio]

Here's one more session from the same track day in December:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl27NQvwVo8

...check at around 3:00 for "creative" overtaking by a Ferrari 575M Maranello and around 15:00 to see a Porsche Turbo spin out in a middle of a corner in a somewhat strange way (is it so hard to keep the ESP on?) :)

[762]

Originally Posted by telaio

Here's one more session from the same track day in December:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl27NQvwVo8

...check at around 3:00 for "creative" overtaking by a Ferrari 575M Maranello and around 15:00 to see a Porsche Turbo spin out in a middle of a corner in a somewhat strange way (is it so hard to keep the ESP on?) :)

ESP is the devil, ruins all the fun, and prevents you from learning how to really control the car.

It looks like you may want to consider trying to sit a touch more upright. It will keep your arms from being quite so straight when extended and turning. Just a suggestion.

[bostonaudi]

Originally Posted by 762

ESP is the devil, ruins all the fun, and prevents you from learning how to really control the car.

It looks like you may want to consider trying to sit a touch more upright. It will keep your arms from being quite so straight when extended and turning. Just a suggestion.

On a Porsche, PASM should be left on.

[762]

That is a different opinion then the few owners I know or my experience in a cayman. Also I'm pretty positive every GT3 campaigned at SCCA nationals has the PASM off.

[telaio]

Originally Posted by 762

ESP is the devil, ruins all the fun, and prevents you from learning how to really control the car.

I'm sure that's the case at the advanced level - however I'm far from there myself

It looks like you may want to consider trying to sit a touch more upright. It will keep your arms from being quite so straight when extended and turning. Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the tip, someone else gave me the same comment on Youtube. All comments/critique is welcome :)

[762]

Eh I don't think it is really an advance level thing. Once you get the initial jitters of being out in a performance driving environment I feel it is important to slowly build up your speed, and know your limits.

While the PASM is unique in that it can provide a little more slip, most TC systems cut in so hard and so early that it keeps you from learning to drive on the edge, keeping you only at 7-8/10s.

(On a separate advice note: consider keeping the hand at 3 and 9 on the steering wheel. It will give you a wider degree of control on the wheel before you need to take your hands off the wheel. If you watch some of my autocross videos above you can see that with your hands at 9 and 3 you do not even have to take your hands off the wheel at all unless a turn is very very slow and tight. It also lets you know the position of tire as you apply the throttle and you start to create a relationship between the amount of steering lock and how much throttle you can apply.)

[Tadddd]

Just posted up a clip of one of my runs this last december at thunderhill in my thread. I'll sort through and make some other clips to put up in this thread i think.

[762]

fastest raw time run with some long rev limiter action.

[bhmkv]

Originally Posted by 762

fastest raw time run with some long rev limiter action.

dam that looked fast!

[miamirice]

Originally Posted by 762

fastest raw time run with some long rev limiter action.

I love a Honda at full song. Your S sounds very diff than mine. Ci have AP2 with HKS duals and berke test pipe. What's yours?

[762]

Current Setup is
Moton Clubsports 800 F / 600 R
Gendron .25 hollow bar at 6/6
Stock Rear bar
J's racing camber joints
17x9 Tire Rack wheels
255 RS3s
K&N FIPK
Berk 3 inch headerback exhaust with high flow cat
Greddy Emanage w/VTEC @ 4500

Have a bunch of changes coming to the car this season. Last year was all about just learning to drive a RWD car. Now that I am about just 3-6 tenths off a few national STR trophy winners I am ready to make some changes to try and catch up.

new changes for this season will be 900 F springs 750 or 700 R springs (I have both to test)

and

2 new rear sway bars, a front sway bar off of a soft top NC MX-5, and a front sway bar of a hard top NC MX-5 which is a touch stiffer than the soft top bar. Both bars are softer than the stock AP2 bar I am on now.

[BlaineWasHere]

What are you trying to accomplish characteristic wise with the softer bars? I know that sway bars mean very different things for RWD vs FWD cars.

[762]

What are you trying to accomplish characteristic wise with the softer bars? I know that sway bars mean very different things for RWD vs FWD cars.

The general idea is this.
- Right now the car's balance is pretty good, however in high speed elements the back can want to step out if I am flat on the throttle.

- The car is a little floppy in slaloms compared to what I would like it to be.

Including sway bars a basic roll resistance figure (not exact based on wheel rates but works as a comparison) is this

1306F/722R

with going to 900 F springs 750 rear springs and the softer MX-5 bar the rates go to

1406F/805R

with the stiffer MX5 bar it goes to

1406F/821R or so

The overall goal is to decouple the rear wheels to gain slightly more lateral grip while increasing overall chassis stiffness for slaloms. The setup will also keep overall chassis balance similar and allow a similar style of front to rear weight transfer.

Bars transfer forces faster then springs so softer will let each wheel act more independently for grip. However, I will loose some low speed agility. I am already running rear rebound and front compression pretty high so if I need to I can mess with those adjustments or go down in front bar to get that same rear bias for tighter elements.

Also locally Rob Rockefeller runs a similar setup, and he placed 6th at Nats.

[telaio]

Originally Posted by 762

Eh I don't think it is really an advance level thing. Once you get the initial jitters of being out in a performance driving environment I feel it is important to slowly build up your speed, and know your limits.

Well sure, but I don't want to risk damage by spinning in a corner. If you do not make occasional mistakes that put you close to going out of the track (or even out), you're not driving at the limit, IMO.

While the PASM is unique in that it can provide a little more slip, most TC systems cut in so hard and so early that it keeps you from learning to drive on the edge, keeping you only at 7-8/10s.

I'm pretty happy with how the R32 ESC works with my setup, usually it just cuts power a bit at corner exit and I'm hoping that settign the Halxed to "Race" will reduce that even more. I need to see whether I have the balls to switch the ESC off in the future after I've gained clearly more experience.

(On a separate advice note: consider keeping the hand at 3 and 9 on the steering wheel.)

I thought I already did that, but will investigate

[762]

Arizona events run essentially in a 2 mini event format, first half are the actual competition runs. The second half are called Time Only and done by PAX. This was the fastest overall TO Pax Run.

[762]

Did some driving at the local kart track. Unfortunately they had just put a new sealed asphalt surface on the track. Made the track much less grippy than it supposedly used to be, but at least tire wear was minimal.

A few laps of a session including fastest lap


Fastest lap